When is the True Sabbath?

Psalms_119:105 · Subject: When is the True Sabbath? Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:58 pm

Lets have a soft debate about the Sabbath

When is it?
Was it changed?
Is it different for Jews and Gentiles?
Should Christians keep the Sabbath?
What is the L-RDS Day?

cyberlizard · Subject: Re: When is the True Sabbath? Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:52 am

i will only touch very briefly on the last last

i believe the Lord's day to be any day on which God chooses to reveal His power to a person. Rather than it being on a particular day of the week. Like the Old Testament talks about the day of the Lord (the day God Acts - rather than the day itself).

i know it sounds confusing, but it makes perfect sense in my head.

Steve

tturt · Member Posts: 103 Join date: 2007-09-08

After some reading on this over the last few months, I believe the Sabbath is Fri night through Sat. and it was one of the things changed when the RCC was established.

To implement what that means however, is very difficult - trying to combine two calendars. I admire anyone who can.

Of course, my dh would love two days of rest - just kidding.

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zaksmummy · Subject: Re: When is the True Sabbath? Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:28 pm

I disagree with you Arlev - I find it strange calling you the name of your hamster, but thats just me!!!

Anyway what I have found since observing Sabbath is that it avoids all the other people scramblihg around being mad on Saturdays, its just great to take a day and just do nothing - no housework, no rushing around, just relax and enjoy the weather, that is my understanding of what God intended and so I'm going to appreciate it to the full.

The only problem I have is Stevens definition of work, how much work is work. I try not to get legalistic around it and just enjoy the time of rest.

Catrin xx

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Juski · Jr.Member Posts: 33 Join date: 2007-09-23

hello,

interesting debate!

I used to think it didnt matter what day you sabbathed as long as you did - being a good christian girl and all! Wink

But what I have discovered in recent years is the sabbath is important and should be when God said it is - Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. We've been observing sabbath for 2 years now and although we're still learning this different pace of life it has been an amazing blessing to us.

The sabbath is not fulfilled by Christ. The sabbath is still God's recommendation to us and still of real benefit to all. The sabbath is not designed as a kill-joy to stop us having fun, its an opportunuity to deepen your relationship with our Father. As followers of the messiah we are not required to keep the billions of laws the Jews have created to keep themselves righteous but we are required to follow God's Law.

God clearly states throughout scripture that the sabbath is fri-sat night. It was changed to sunday because a few power-crazy people wanted to be richer, more powerful, and to separate christians from the Jews. (anti-semeticism)

I hope this doesnt offend but this is something I'm really passionate about - we get so much stick for observing sabbath from people who say it doesnt matter which day it is, but if it doesnt matter why do they make so much fuss about it been sunday!!! Smile

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cyberlizard · Subject: Re: When is the True Sabbath? Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:32 pm

the shabbat is always a good one as everyone is free to hold any opinion, no matter how stupid or off the wall it may seem.

some people seem to hold ideas though which are more stupid than the general popolus.

Many people disagree on the ideas of the sabbath, but i am reasonably sure that it was instituted for very good reason, and people who play it down, do so to their own regret (whether they realise it or not).

Steve

p.s. i know exactly when the sabbath is... it is from evening on day six to sunset on day seven. Now take it or leave it as to whether the friday/saturday is the right day, so long as one day is taken. I think it just makes it easier if we agree on a day (for consistencies sake).

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cyberlizard · Subject: Re: When is the True Sabbath? Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:43 am

here's a good one...

if we accept that sabbath runs sunset to sunset.... how do jewish people living up/down in the polar regions celebrate as there is no sunset for a very long time (6 months). Is there a halakhic ruling on this, or even jewish astronauts in geostationary orbits (who also have no day/night timeframe to refer too).

i suppose in these instances they could set their sabbath times to a jerusalem clock....

who knows

ideas accepted.

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Juski · Jr.Member Posts: 33 Join date: 2007-09-23

Hi Arlev,

I recommend you read theownersmanual.net and the 1st chapter calledInstructions and signs. That might give you a bit more of an idea where Im coming from.

Smile

zaksmummy · Subject: Re: When is the True Sabbath? Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:08 pm

I agree Arlev, and I have been led and energised by the Holy Sprit to vcelebrate Sabbath

Energised being metophorical, after all it is a day of rest!!!

Catrin xx

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Psalms_119:105 · Subject: Re: When is the True Sabbath? Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:04 am

Quote:

i believe the Lord's day to be any day on which
God chooses to reveal His power to a person. Rather than it being on a
particular day of the week. Like the Old Testament talks about the day
of the Lord (the day God Acts - rather than the day itself).

i know it sounds confusing, but it makes perfect sense in my head.

Steve

Steven you don't believe in a specific Day that Only G-d knows which will be that great and terrible day?

Do you equate the Day of the L-RD with the L-RD's day?

I see the L-RD's day the day that was his from the beginning because it represents when he finnished creation, and he rested from all his work, thus he was the first to Shabbat on Shabbat. Smile

make sense?

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After some reading on this over the last few
months, I believe the Sabbath is Fri night through Sat. and it was one
of the things changed when the RCC was established.
tturt

Not quite when it was established but close enough to it. It was thrown over for the day of the sun, to keep from having any relationship to the day the Jews celebrated, not to mention they did it and still do because G-d himself commanded it. Makes you wonder how they could think they were believing in the one true G-d to start with? clueless

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In answer:

When is it? Saturday according to the Jews - and there doesn't seem to be much reason to doubt it.
arlev

This answer is incorrect. According to the Jews? You mean those of us who were entrusted his holy word? and given this day to keep to represent his creation, and that He is the one and only
G-d? Neutral

We only say it because he does.This is not Talmudic thought , this comes directly from Torah. First he shows us how to keep time, and not once, but six times so we get it for sure.

Quote: Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

1:8 And the evening and the morning were the second day.
1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
1:31 And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

So it is very easy to see how G-d views a day, not like the Romans taught the world but how the creator made it, he takes us from darkness into light. not from darkness to darkness.

And chapter two tells us what happened next:
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And
on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested
on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The hebrew looks like this:

(will have to come back to this my pc acting up again)